I'd also drop Tina Turner down to Level 1. Hey, the Thunder traded the wrong guy! Bill Simmons remembers the day when he learned The Secret of basketball from Hall of Famer Isiah Thomas, then built his New York Times no. That's who he is. Ruth Brown: 8/10 Ritchie Valens Jeff Beck Scott Slade Cox Media Group. Bonnie Raitt: 7/10 ***. In THE ART OF BASKETBALL, he shows young men & women of all ages . Buddy Holly & The Crickets: 10/10 Walt Frazier. Is anyone ever going to move up fro level 4 to level 5? John R.C., 1987 Louis Jordan Bob Marley, too. LEVEL 4 ? All English speaking countries?). Back To The Future 26. Eurythmics (Level 1) Bird, 5. Jay-Z -Level 3 "How many artists CURRENTLY at Level 4 can ?" 1999 Nina Simone (Level 2) Deep Purple a 1??? Dion: 8/10 He without question was 'the most political of the Beatles' and I'm sure a lot of future generations looked upon him for that." While there are plenty of eligible snubbed artists out there, there are likely very few, if any, who would make it into Level 4 of the pyramid if they were ever inducted (Level 5 is impenetrable at this point by any non-Hall of Famer). ELO, Joan Baez, Yes, Tupac Shakur, Journey, Pearl Jam, Bon Jovi, Dire Straits, Sister Rosetta Thorpe, The Cars, Nina Simone, Moody Blues. Kobe Bryant, 8. of all time, Simmons opensand then closes, once and for allevery major pro basketball debate. I'm a musician myself, my band plays a mix of originals and 70s/80s/90s rock covers, and Radiohead's name never comes up between any of us. Have at it. His vocal styling influenced numerous singers in the alternative and new wave scenes, from Robert Smith to David Byrne. Johnny Cash: 10/10 Joan Baez (and yes, I'd still put her in the bottom rung, though she'd be closer to the top of that bottom rung) 107. Guns N' Roses Does ninety-six players sound like a good number? Sex Pistols The Supremes, Mary Wells, Brenda Holloway, Barbara Mason. I personally think Radiohead and U2 and perhaps solo Lennon are 3s, and CSN, Clapton, and maybe BB King or The Byrds belong in 4. I can't in good conscience not include Manu in the Pyramid. Skip to secondary content. It would only make sense, since the next 4 are not perfect multiples of 12 anymore. They don't have a ton of bands imitating them other than Coldplay. Replace "Were they just dominant at times?" ------------------- I was not alive for either group's heyday, so I can't speak to their innovation upon their arrival on the music scene. 2000 Billie Holiday Plays. "You've Really Got a Hold on Me" Percy Sledge, Barbara McNair, The Beatles, The Temptations, The Supremes, The Zombies, Aidan Smith, Sonny & Cher, Mickey Gilley, Eddie Money, Cyndi Lauper, The Bobs, Greg Brown, Small Faces, Bobby McFerrin, Derrick Harriott, UFO8, Mike and The Mechanics, and She & Him among many others. Bill Stewart WJBF-TV 2015 72. "As Bill Simmons said in his original article though, this is subjective. Fats Domino should be moved up four rows. Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane. Not really. Def Leppard 3. I'll concede they're important enough to be in the hall, but ranking them higher than the Doors, Grateful Dead, Zappa, or even Jefferson Airplane (a possible influence) is ridiculous. Eurythmics: 7/10 The "Lovin Spoonful: 5/10 "Nowhere To Go- Kanye West (as the basis of his song "About An Angel"), Beanie Sigel (as "Got Nowhere"), Freeway Jack Twyman, 107. Posted by Follower on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 00:18am. Heart: 1 The Doobie Brothers The Jimi Hendrix Experience ELO Elvis Presley Kevin Garnett, 24. The Miracles, Motown's first group, are the most covered Motown group of all time. "How many of YOUR favorites can boast of a list that LONG ???" 132. I don't have a problem with ranking KD over those guys. Simmons shares credit for the idea with his friend Gus Ramsey and Wally Ramsey., 2. Look at this list of artists that have COVERED The MIRACLES' SONGSand tell me that they DON'T belong at level 4: From Wikipedia: 11. Joan Baez To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. Clyde McPhatter: 8/10 65. Dominique Wilkins, 63. 164. "Whole Lotta Shakin' In My Heart (Since I Met You)" The Hellacopters, Marv Johnson. Some great musicality But, say, Aerosmith is #3 ? Bill Simmons Hall of Fame Pyramid: Give Major Weakness of the top 10 NBA All Time. (I would say second or third). Yes, and the rest of the list is just like you said. Duane Eddy Chicago: 6/10 T. Rex: 7/10 John Lee Hooker Moody Blues - 2 "You've Got The Love I Need" - J Dilla, Raekwon. Wow, thanks for sharing, where do you get all this information from if I may know? 1)Do you have to consider them in any "best of all-time" discussions? The Stooges Pat Benatar Your favorite inductees (You can pick at least 7)? There is an interesting parallel to the pyramid--sometimes they agree, sometimes not so much. Linda Ronstadt: 7/10 I know, they did it with the strength of ONE album. Joan Baez Moses Malone, 13. The Ventures The Animals: 8/10 Level 5 Lou Reed: 7/10 At least FIVE ACTS in Level 5 of this Pyramid have PUBLICLY ADMITTED that THEY and/or their MUSIC has been INFLUENCED by Posted by Andrew on Sunday, 05/4/2014 @ 22:12pm. Jerry Lee Lewis And I agree on John Lennon (or any Beatle) as a solo artist. From 2013: I'd buy front row seats for a weird off between Prince and Dr. John. Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 10/22/2014 @ 09:34am, In my honest opinion, Rush should also be placed a lot higher, at least, preferably in the middle of the 4th tier, slightly lower than Pink Floyd and slightly below, soon to be inducted, Yes. 99. Ike & Tina Turner Joni Mitchell Lynyrd Skynyrd Muddy Waters: 10/10 But as long as they are moved up to the 4th tier, I will not be very disappointed. Steve Miller: Level 1, Posted by SotN on Friday, 12/18/2015 @ 03:31am. He was the best center in the league for 5 years (yes, the competition for that title was, let's say, lacking). 1993 Dinah Washington I just heard the Bill Russell podcast (last one, I believe) and he clearly lists the top-15. Public Enemy (lower 2nd) I like a lot of them. Al Green As for the 2016 inductees, Deep Purple at Level 2, all the others at Level 1. Santana Joni Mitchell Lou Reed I had to move him up. Tina Turner is solely on Level 2 for star power and that's it. Both are hugely important in roots rock and country rock scenes. B. A great scorer, but I'm not sure he was ever a good enough all-around player to be the best player on a champ despite that one year with the Nuggets. 2012 Otis Redding Foo Fighters-1, but since they're a first ballot HOFer 2 might be more befitting Tracy McGrady, 89. 1989 The Ink Spots For new additions (NOT New Edition) to Level 5, I nominate Aerosmith, and either Aretha Franklin or Michael Jackson. The best of the best. If he comes back 100% and leads Brooklyn to a title? The first change I would make to this pyramid: Michael Jackson to Level 5, perhaps replacing Jimi Hendrix. These are the misses from the initial Pyramid that I would've liked rectified: Grant Hill (replacing Connie Hawkins - Hawkins should be in the Comets section and Hill should've been in the Pyramid), Alonzo Mourning (replacing Sabonis - same deal with the Hawkins/Hill swap), Tim Hardaway (for Kevin Johnson - I saw both, Hardaway was a better player), Ben Wallace or Dikembe Mutombo (for Horry - I get where he was going with including Big Shot Bob, but one of the other two guys deserved that spot), My toughest omissions from this Pyramid: Amar'e, Billups, Blake, Paul George, Rose. KISS (Level 2) nine inch nails - 2 or 3 2Pac - 2 Over the past two-three years, I've become heavily enamored with blues, jazz, bluegrass, country/western, and even old Tin Pan Alley/classic standards. Steve Miller -First ballot? This list is made in 2010, so Lebron is still 20th. 7/10 = Solid Picks That's the backbone of my opinion and I'm out of cares about your opinion about my opinion, pal. 145. Radiohead were around then. I would also move Talking Heads up to the 4th tier. Your favorite inductees (You can pick at least 7) 6/10 = Decent Artists 34. David Bowie 1988 -This is covered under "most civilized", don't you think? None of them were saints though. 1988 Lead Belly Thanks, SHREK, for your bullshit opinion. John & Bobbie Foster WCON-AM/FM 2015 69. -Use 5 levels in your pyramid If Liny Wray was inducted, he would be on four. GFW-It's simply that he was a first ballot inductee and yet looking over his discography it's quite underwhelming. Somebody else played their brand of rock and roll around their time who was better. Posted by Michael W on Friday, 05/21/2021 @ 14:58pm. 2002 Inductee that should have been first-ballot (again, don't answer Rush*)? Stockton at 30 and CP3 at 42. I think the Doors and Grateful Dead should be in the fourth level of the pyramid. 227. The (Young) Rascals: 5/10 KISS The main ones: 131. Most weird inductee? Posted by Corey Finn on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:15am. Janis Joplin: 10/10 All the Indiana Jones films James Brown didn't either but he was arguably much closer to rock than Ray Charles was while he was performing, same goes for Stevie Wonder. Sorry i number the questions wrong so I come up with a new question for # 5: It's fine, but it's more of a BS pod than a true sequel (I'm of the belief that Simmons sort of lost his passion when ESPN fired him for criticizing Goodell). Glory Dr. John and the Miracles Earth, Wind and Fire Baez - 1, Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 12/22/2016 @ 18:38pm, Posted by Roy on Friday, 04/14/2017 @ 09:13am. 64. Simmons led . The Paul Butterfield Blues Band "Whatever Makes You Happy"- Jacki Gore, Steve Washington. All-Time Finest View entire all-time finest list Current Finest Level 4: The L-shaped, bi-level building houses more than 18,000 square feet of . The Isley Brothers: 9/10 Nine Inch Nails The Drifters The J.B.'s 151. *******Here's the REAL KICKER !! Prince - Formatting might look weird, but I didn't want to take up crazy amounts of space. 7. 141. Only one problem: 10 years later, were in the middle of the player empowerment era and The Secret might not matter anymore. 153. Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble The hierarchy in the pyramid was primarily determined by artist rankings here and here. For some reason they never get as much credit as they deserve (especially when compared to other Motown artists like Marvin Gaye, The Supremes and The Temptations). "The Tracks of My Tears " Linda Ronstadt, Aretha Franklin, Johnny Rivers, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Mongo Santamara, Martha and the Vandellas, Bryan Ferry, Bjrns Vnner (as Ser Jag Ut Att M Bra? move to 1: 1998 Jelly Roll Morton Buffalo Springfield 7. Chicago - 2 (they are more than just a garden variety level 1 band, too many hits, if Billy Joel and Rod Stewart are level 2, then Chicago fits) No. De Bravo, Little Willie G., Oran "Juice" Jones. SHOP AROUND, YOU'VE REALLY GOT A HOLD ON ME, OOO BABY BABY, THE TRACKS OF MY TEARS, MORE LOVE, THE TEARS OF A CLOWN, I SECOND THAT EMOTION,BABY BABY DON'T CRY, LOVE MACHINEand MORE !! I can't put a guy in Level 4 who never got to the Finals. Green Day Solomon Burke: 7/10 Simon & Garfunkel, I assume (or some doo-wop stuff). Big Joe Turner 203. -Most influential? Dire Straits, Nina Simone #5? The most obvious one to me is Metallica, who are no brainers for level 4 at least, and could possibly mount a case (admittedly a weak one) for level 5. I forgot to factor influence. Nicest: According to an Indianapolis limo driver who interviewed with the Indpls. The Yardbirds: 9/10 Kraftwerk if they ever get in deserves at least a 4, comparable to the Velvet Underground for a band with little commercial success (in the USA anyway) that had major long term impacts on the course of future music trends. Donna Summer: 8/10 Heart: 7/10 ARE YOU KIDDING ME ?? But the biggest question about Harden remainsand it wont be answered until the playoffs. They're not interested in "secondhand influence" or "undercurrent carriage" of rhythms, sounds, influence or innovation. Deep Purple: 7/10 Level 1: Almost all of their hits were self-written, making them unique among Motown acts. Dusty Springfield I would like to see it. You could even include acts who broke significant individual records (though, personally, I say no). 166. target="_blank" title="http://www.beat.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/630_315sr/images/article/header/2013/april/lilb.jpg[/img]">http://www.beat.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/630_315sr/images/article/header/2013/april/lilb.jpg[/img], Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 18:26pm. Just two months into 2023, Majors has already come crashing into franchises like Creed and Ant-Manas well as Sundance, for good measure. Pat Benatar: 6/10 Zach, most of your comments make sense to me. Amen and speak the truth! 83. Loudest other then metal: THe Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Who, The Stooges, Public Enemy, Dave Clark Five. Most civilized inductee? 2018 Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01/1/2019 @ 20:35pm. Bobby Darin This is what this site is partly for, to share opinions and all. The Byrds The Who, The Kinks, Public Enemy, Sex Pistols and Muddy Waters The Meters - 1, Posted by Tyler on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 12:50pm, The pyramid hasnt been updated with last years inductees, but here is my take on 2018: Michael Jackson: 10/10 Shound have been inducted on the first ballot: Black Sabbath, The Stooges, Alice Copper, Neil Diamond, Genesis, Queen, Velvet Underground, The Beastie Boys, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five. Most unworthy inductee: Percy Sledge, Prince, Madonna, Randy Newman, Laura Nyro. So what happened? Buddy Guy: 8/10 The ninety-six greatest basketball players of all time, arranged into five tiers: Levels One through Four, then the Pantheon - the best of the best - at the very top. Radiohead have been called the last important rock band by tons of people. Red Hot Chili Peppers Fleetwood Mac: 8/10 23. Chuck Berry: 10/10 Is Curry STILL underrated? Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 16:09pm. Muddy Waters (Level 5) Among these are: Donna Summer (middle 3rd) Looking at the bottom rung of artists, some of their followers are in the hall (Allmusic). Lionel Richie: 6/10 191. "I'll Try Something New" Diana Ross & the Supremes with the Temptations, Barbara McNair, A Taste of Honey, Spyder Turner (as an excerpt from his cover of "Stand By Me") He followed that up with 6 more solid seasons including 2 more All-NBA teams and 3 more All-Star appearances. Yes at the best online prices at eBay! The O'Jays: 7/10 47. "More, More, More of Your Love" Bob Brady & the Con Chords Judas Priest (Level 1 or 2) 2020: Chicago 8/10 = No Brainers 135. I'm giving him the Chris Paul memorial spot from the BoB. Over here in Britain May has been a wildlife activist and critic of fox-hunting Todd Rundgren-1, Posted by Corey Finn on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 15:57pm. Cheap Trick Posted by shrek on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 20:45pm. Yes And how the hell could OKC ever trade James Harden after Game 5? Genesis The Hobbit Was this OKCs Apex Mountain? 11. ******* "I Gotta Dance to Keep From Crying" The Who, Jimmy James. Simon and Garfunkel In a word, no. Argument could be made for a level 5, on the par with James Brown for a mid-career musical reinvention that created a brand new major genre. 15. We correct for the passage of time in a principled way, so we can fairly compare the significance of historical figures of different eras." Posted by GFW on Saturday, 05/25/2013 @ 15:16pm. Janet Jackson I would like to do the # ratings of performers of every class, for this I'll be giving them a number between 0 -10 out of 10 based on influence & innovation on popular music. As a Beatle, sure, but definitely not as a solo artist. 101. 22. The (Young) Rascals I'd say a tier down at least. Simmons just completed his BOB 2.0 podcast, and during numerous episodes he will list the specific new Pyramid rankings of 5-10 guys in a row, but I'm curious if anyone has heard all the podcasts & has the new order written down? SEE FOR YOURSELF !! "Love Machine" Wham!, Thelma Houston "Bill G., Steve Miller - 1, Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 12/22/2015 @ 17:32pm. "My Girl Has Gone" Etienne Daho, Bobby Taylor, Edwyn Collins, Ken Parker. He's a spot below Worthy because Big Game James was a better overall player, but Parker deserves to be acknowledged - despite the fact that he might be a shitty dude. (Think about it) . Questions 6 &7 are differnet type of questions. Oops. I don't where to post this ever since that "Current Hall of Famers" doesn't have a comments, so I have to post it here or in the "The Immortals" page. Depeche Mode-4 128. 6. 198. I'd say level 4 is also impossible for anyone not in the hall currently as well. The Staple Singers: 8/10 I didn't ask for it. Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 05/21/2021 @ 16:15pm, Posted by Chris on Friday, 05/21/2021 @ 16:21pm. Laura Nyro: 4/10 17. Simmons believes that Nolan Ryan was a Tier 4 Baseball HoFer, while acknowledging that several people wouldn't put Nolan Ryan in the Hall at all. The Who, Metallica, Led Zeppelin would all rank up there. Bob Dylan: 10/10 Beck (Level 1 or 2) 12. Lloyd Price: 4/10 Randy Newman (middle 2nd) Level 3 He was the 2nd best player on the Lakers teams from '08-'10, but didn't make the cut for the original Pyramid. Lavish parties excluded then the guys from Queen. I'm sure that you all accept that INFLUENCE is one of the most important factors in Musical Greatness. Biggest botch Level Two: Im-Ho-Tep (Boris Karloff) Journey: 3/10 " For an Early Influence, I would pick Cab Calloway or The Ravens. 102. If I wrote a serious short book on the updated Pyramid, I'd make use of the same 1:1 comparisons that Simmons did. Parliament-Funkadelic The Lion King, Posted by Andrew on Wednesday, 10/30/2013 @ 20:04pm. Bill Cathcart WTOC TV 2014 The chances of me ever getting back into The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, and their compatriots are practically nonexistent. The Jackson 5: 9/10 Albert King (lower 3rd) The Velvet Underground: 10/10 Parker was really, really good for a long time. Dion 31. I would also move a few artists around like replacing Madonna with some other female singer like Liz Phair or Norah Jones, moving Elton John down a rank and putting Billy Joel there, moving Sam Cooke up a bit as well as Big Joe Turner and Fats Domino. The Stooges: 10/10 Rick Caffey Audacy Atlanta. Rating Numbers: By 2030, most people will agree he's the best basketball player ever as the memories of MJ fade even more. Grandmaster Flash & Furious Five: 8/10 Bill Walton. And oh, yeah, let's get the Moody Blues IN before we decide which tier they should be on. 1988 Les Paul Karl Malone, 21. 1. SMF 2015, Simple Machines. Then he takes it further by completely reevaluating not only how NBA Hall of Fame inductees should be chosen but how the institution must be reshaped from the ground up, the result being the Pyramid: Simmons's one-of-a-kind five-level shrine Is there anyone not in the Hall who could be a 4? Posted by Zach on Wednesday, 10/30/2013 @ 23:07pm. All the Lord of The Rings films For the new inductees, my opinion is this: The first part of his career was spent as the alpha, the best player on a title team, and then a distraught MVP candidate surrounded by a bad team. Van Halen: 9/10 At LEAST LEVEL 4 !! 1989 The Soul Stirrers I would definitely say Bruce Springsteen, Aretha Franklin, and David Bowie should, maybe with Pink Floyd and Neil Young right behind sometime in the near future. 147. Yeah, the Pyramid's bias toward 60s musicians is palpable. Queen: 10/10 it might just represent the next phase of sports commentary."The Atlantic Bill Simmons, the wildly Part 3 coming soon! Randy Newman (middle 2nd) Skip to primary content. Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/1/2019 @ 14:24pm, How about a pyramid for the Early Influence category, with Wanda Jackson and Freddie King as a 1 because they never should have been inducted in that category? Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 14:58pm, Radiohead is widely considered the most influential and important act since Nirvana. 1997 Bill Monroe Level 4: 143. Sure. 161. The 2017 and 2018 inductees are not in the pyramid yet! 6/10 = Decent Artists Journey - 1 192. However, when an artist offends me so deeply that I can only summon feelings of outright hatred for their music, it's almost impossible for me to maintain any kind of objectivity.

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